[ He thinks back on what he'd said, wondering if perhaps they'd gotten their wires crossed. So, trying not to be intrusive- ]
I said I couldn't care about you as an individual because I don't know you as an individual. You're not my best friend, we don't have ties yet... but you're still a person. Still someone else on the boat with me. Someone worthy of respect and care and politeness.
If I saw you in trouble, I'd try and help you. If you asked me for something, I'd see if I could get it. If you needed protecting, I'd protect you.
It sounds like you do, if you think you aren't going to get common decency. And you think people don't care enough about you to do any of the stuff you said.
Protecting isn't just about physical protection. Sometimes, it's about making sure people don't get beat up metaphorically too. Sometimes, it just helps to know someone wants to, even if you don't need it.
Everyone deserves to know someone's looking out for them, I think.
So if someone made you angry... does it matter if they were trying to make you angry or is it just something you'd do at anyone or anything making you angry?
[ He blinks at that, then takes a moment and rubs at his temple before trying to address that.]
Credence, when I said I didn't care, what I was addressing was the fact that I don't know you. We don't have any personal significance to each other. We can't, not yet.
[ His hand gestures mildly to Credence. ]
But to me, something like this, something like the things I mentioned earlier... that all falls under how you care about every single person you meet, whether you've built something yet or not.
So I suppose the way you think of things, yes, I do care. But that caring is built on what I believe, not anything particular to you. What I was trying to say was just that I won't pretend that you matter more to me just because you were assigned to me.
[ He has a few guesses, obviously, but he doesn't want to assume. If there's one thing he knows from practically living in the minds of all manner of awful people, it's that things like this can come from all sorts of places and trying to understand it requires an open mind.]
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Date: 2018-12-01 04:49 pm (UTC)I'm not going to get to know you. Leave me alone.
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Date: 2018-12-01 04:54 pm (UTC)All right. If that's what you want.
[ He ruffles his own hair. ]
Sorry.
[ He glances over at the other man. ]
So should I just... pointedly not talk to you at meals? Make sure I don't wave or say hello if I see you around?
[ He holds up a hand.]
I'm not being a smart aleck. I'm asking.
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Date: 2018-12-01 07:25 pm (UTC)[Credence almost hangs up on him before he says that.]
Why would you say hello? Like you said. You don't care about me.
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Date: 2018-12-01 07:37 pm (UTC)...because you're still a person?
[ He thinks back on what he'd said, wondering if perhaps they'd gotten their wires crossed. So, trying not to be intrusive- ]
I said I couldn't care about you as an individual because I don't know you as an individual. You're not my best friend, we don't have ties yet... but you're still a person. Still someone else on the boat with me. Someone worthy of respect and care and politeness.
If I saw you in trouble, I'd try and help you. If you asked me for something, I'd see if I could get it. If you needed protecting, I'd protect you.
That's just... standard.
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Date: 2018-12-01 07:40 pm (UTC)...No. It isn't.
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Date: 2018-12-01 08:07 pm (UTC)[ Which isn't meant to be some sort of smarmy correction. On the contrary, he adds a moment later. ]
Sorry. One of those things. Like I said, I'm not used to people who don't already know me. I should have been clearer.
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Date: 2018-12-01 09:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2018-12-01 09:18 pm (UTC)Protecting isn't just about physical protection. Sometimes, it's about making sure people don't get beat up metaphorically too. Sometimes, it just helps to know someone wants to, even if you don't need it.
Everyone deserves to know someone's looking out for them, I think.
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Date: 2018-12-01 09:19 pm (UTC)Not everyone.
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Date: 2018-12-01 09:25 pm (UTC)In my experience, those people are like that because they've never had someone really looking out for them.
[ He does feel the need to be truly honest, though.]
Which doesn't mean I like them or agree with them or excuse them for what they've done. Doesn't even mean I won't punch them out myself.
But I try to keep it in mind.
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Date: 2018-12-01 09:31 pm (UTC)I have people who'll...look out for me.
If anybody makes me angry I usually just kill them.
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Date: 2018-12-01 09:35 pm (UTC)And I guess that's a thing to do? Kinda limited, though. [ he scratches an ear ] And it seems like it wouldn't really solve much around here.
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Date: 2018-12-01 09:37 pm (UTC)They stop bothering me. So it's fine.
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Date: 2018-12-01 09:38 pm (UTC)What's 'bothering you' look like, if you don't mind me asking?
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Date: 2018-12-01 09:49 pm (UTC)I don't know. People - make me angry for different reasons.
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Date: 2018-12-01 09:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2018-12-01 09:59 pm (UTC)Why do you care?
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Date: 2018-12-01 10:02 pm (UTC)[ And the question isn't a flippant reversal. He can't understand the idea of not trying to understand.]
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Date: 2018-12-02 11:30 am (UTC)Because you don't care. You said.
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Date: 2018-12-02 01:58 pm (UTC)Credence, when I said I didn't care, what I was addressing was the fact that I don't know you. We don't have any personal significance to each other. We can't, not yet.
[ His hand gestures mildly to Credence. ]
But to me, something like this, something like the things I mentioned earlier... that all falls under how you care about every single person you meet, whether you've built something yet or not.
So I suppose the way you think of things, yes, I do care. But that caring is built on what I believe, not anything particular to you. What I was trying to say was just that I won't pretend that you matter more to me just because you were assigned to me.
But you do matter. I do care.
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Date: 2018-12-02 02:52 pm (UTC)...This is what I don't want to do any more.
This same conversation. Every month.
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Date: 2018-12-02 02:55 pm (UTC)[ He has a few guesses, obviously, but he doesn't want to assume. If there's one thing he knows from practically living in the minds of all manner of awful people, it's that things like this can come from all sorts of places and trying to understand it requires an open mind.]
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Date: 2018-12-02 03:03 pm (UTC)Because they don't!
[There's a crackling sound, like bad static.]
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Date: 2018-12-02 03:08 pm (UTC)I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that I do. I do right now, and I will continue to. Nothing you can do will change that.
So where does that leave us?
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Date: 2018-12-02 03:10 pm (UTC)Nowhere.
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